Canon's DSLR flagship in the entry level Rebel lineup, the Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D, touts an impressive list of upgrades only 16 months after the venerable Canon EOS Rebel T3i/600D came to market. Is the new Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D a compelling and worthy upgrade over the Canon EOS Rebel T3i/600D? Read my practical review of the T4i and judge for yourself!
The T4i shares the same 18 megapixel CMOS APS-C sensor as the T3i but the major internal similarities stop there. The T4i runs on a DIGIC V processor for a faster 5fps shutter rate to catch fast action sports, a more sensitive 9 AF point system like the Canon 60D, a Hybrid AF system for continuous tracking during video recording and Live View and the first articulating touchscreen control LCD for Canon DSLR's.
The list goes on like the HDR Backlight Control for high contrast exposures, internal stereo microphone for audio capture for video and the addition of wireless RF control to dedicated RF Canon Speedlites. The retail price for the Canon T4i body only is $849. That is at least $200 more than the previous Canon T3i body only currently online. Do all these added T4i features worth the extra coin? My answer may surprise you but I will explain the ergonomic differences first.
The most obvious external difference between the T4i and the T3i is the dedicated movie mode indent on the power switch. No more rotating the mode dial to access movie mode. It is just a flick of the lever and you are shooting the same glorious selection of video resolutions just like the T3i. The internal stereo microphone is now on top of the pentamirror viewfinder but I suggest using an external microphone connected to the mini jack port on the side to gather the best audio. You can call the Canon Rebel T4i a "baby Canon 60D". If you are looking a small form factor with big DSLR features, the Canon Rebel T4i fits the bill.
Just like the T3i, the T4i's image quality is outstanding. Skin detail and color vibrance out of the T4i make it difficult to shoot a bad picture. With all the entry level Scene Intelligent Auto and Basic Zone Modes with the addition of Creative Filters, the aspiring photographer can start shooting epic images with ease. Soccer moms don't worry, you won't miss a shot like with your slow Apple iPhone 4S.
Impromptu photo shoots of your toddler's precious steps in poor lighting got you worried? You can shoot a clean ISO 3200 all day with no problem. ISO 6400 is for extreme low light indoor church or auditorium shooting but very useable to freeze the action. ISO 12800 and up is "Snow Falling on Cedar".
The T4i's more sensitive 9 point AF system like the Canon 60D tracks moving subjects in AI Servo with ease. My kid's ice skating lessons made a great test bed for vertical AF point AI Servo image samples. Keeping any AF point in AI Servo mode on a moving subject can be a challenge but practice makes perfect.
The T4i's video quality is outstanding just like the T4i. It shares the same HD video resolutions at many different frame rates along with manual audio, aperture, shutter and ISO control at your fingertips. Just like the more expensive Canon DSLR's, you have full creative control over your HD movies.
Hesitant at first for change, the touchscreen LCD controls are surprisingly good and practical for recording video. With a touch of the Q (quick menu) button, you have touch control of all major functions including aperture, shutter, ISO, focus point, focus magnification and much more to list. The touchscreen is quite handy especially when choosing focus point and magnifying digitally for critical focus. No more fumbling with control dials and menus anymore.
Total video recording time is now up to 29 minutes and 59 seconds. Just like the Canon 5D Mark III, a new continuous video file is created when the 4gb file limit is reached. No more 4gb FAT 32 limit to make your videos stop short of 12 minutes at full resolution capture. Quite a remarkable feature for an entry level DSLR.
Now for the bad news and maybe the deal breaker for most people. The new Hybrid AF system of the T4i/650D allows objects or people to be continuously tracked in focus during video recording. With Canon's new EF STM or stepper motor lenses, the Hybrid AF system allows smoother lens focusing when compared to USM and non USM EF lenses. The new Hybrid AF system and the LCD touchscreen of the T4i/650D work in conjunction with STM lenses such as the new Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM pancake lens for smooth focus tracking of subjects during video capture. Sounds like a fabulous feature since the invention of the wheel, right? Watch the video below and decide for yourself...
My Canon Hybrid AF conclusion? The Servo AF only works well with subjects and people moving at a toddler's pace. Anything faster than crawling, the Hybrid AF does not keep up with fast moving people or objects. My 15 month old baby daughter just started to walk recently and the Canon T4i/650D paired with the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM pancake lens kept her in focus most of the time. Before the test, my expectations were not too high for this T4i or any HD DSLR. Disappointed with focus tracking of normal everyday people or object movements, I was quite surprised at the quiet and smooth focus of the new STM or stepper motor. Say goodbye to noisy, ratchety and jarring focus movement of previous EF USM and non USM lenses. Canon's next step is to match the AF system of conventional camcorders out in the digital video market.
Now for more bad stuff...Gone are the days of 1080p 3x to 10x digital zoom video capture like in the previous Canon Rebel T3i/600D. Canon completely removed this useful feature adding that extra reach for distant subjects like in my Supermoon video. Next problem is the removal of the AF Quick mode option in movie mode. I found the AF system of the stills mode is much more accurate and "quick" than the new Flexizone single focus point. Habits are just too hard to break! As an added note, the Movie Servo AF is enabled by default in movie mode. It has to be disabled because the AF will be constantly hunting for focus during video capture. Another brief critical issue with the AF is switching between stills mode and movie mode. If you are in AF Quick mode in Live Mode for stills, your selected setting in movie mode for AF will be set to the AF face tracking mode by default. Confusing? This maybe corrected in some future firmware fix, hopefully.
Look familiar? This is my modified .plist for the Canon E-1 Movie Plugin v1.3 to make the Canon Rebel T4i compatible with the Log and Transfer feature of Final Cut Pro. All of the other higher end Canon DSLR's can quickly and easily transcode h264 video files to AppleProRes422 for smooth non linear editing except the Rebel series. I fix that problem easily like the previous Rebels here. Be warned! Follow instruction carefully in that link and click on the picture above to view the .plist modification for the Canon Rebel T4i/650D. Good Luck!
My Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D verdict? The T4i is a winner in the entry level still photography category. A tried and true image sensor and upgraded AF system outputs great pictures along with beginner friendly Basic Zone Modes. The integration of the LCD touchscreen just like the Canon point and shoot Powershots make the transition easy for any novice to upgrade to the big DSLR's. The Canon Rebel T4i make complicated and confusing DSLR's very simple to operate.
In contrast, T4i is a horrible disappointment in the video category especially the wildly hyped Hybrid AF system for continuous focus tracking during recording. On top of that poor performer, the removal of the 3x-10x digital zoom during video capture shakes salt on the bleeding wound. The only redeeming video quality of the T4i is the extended video recording time up to 29 minutes and 59 seconds. Amen!
For current Canon Rebel T3i owners, the new Canon Rebel T4i is a worthy and compelling upgrade for still photography but a big disappointment for shooting video. If you primarily shoot DSLR video, keep your Canon Rebel T3i until Canon fine tunes DSLR auto focus servo tracking. Maybe there is a mirrorless camera system in Canon's future? Only time will tell at this point.
You can view more images, ISO comparisons and videos in my Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Verdict and Video Review Gallery.
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Besides the AF being a disappointment and digital zoom removal, would you recommend the t4i over the t3i for video?
ReplyDeleteIt seems like even if I go with manual focus on the t4i, it is still a better choice then the t3i for video overall. I can live without the digital zoom.
Matthew,
DeleteThe best thing of the T4i for video is the extended record time of 29min and 29sec. Just like the 5D Mark III, 1DX, EOS M and the upcoming 6D, the T4i will double the video capture time of the T3i. Consider that feature a crossover from pro to consumer. If you only manually focus during video, the Rebel T4i is the way to go.
Good luck!
Thanks, chad soriano
Hi Chad
ReplyDeleteI have to decide between the t4i and 60D. I will use it mainly for video shooting.
Any suggestion?
Thanks
Greetings from Argentina.
For mainly video shooting, I would definitely go with the T4i because of the extended record time. The file system of the T4i allows 29 min and 59 sec at one time during video capture while the 60D will stop before 12 minutes. Anyway, the T4i makes an excellent still camera, almost like the 60D in specs.
DeleteI hope that helps!
thanks, chad soriano
Hey Chad, How do you think the t4i would do recording a 3+ hour basketball tournament in 1080? Any thoughts or recommendations? Thank you for your help, the information you provide on your blog is priceless!
ReplyDeleteI would definitely not recommend the T4i for such a long period of video capture. The sensor would overheat and the camera would shut down to cool. The battery life would only last you around 45 minutes on a good day and you would miss some basketball action when switching out batteries. Also, memory space on your card would definitely be challenged with that much record time. I would definitely suggest a conventional camcorder that records to flash media in this situation. Thanks for your compliment! I hope this info helps out...
DeleteSincerely, Chad Soriano
Excellent review! I'm going to be using the t4i to shoot hockey, both video and stills based on your helpful review. Wondering what lens you would recommend for telephoto beyond the standard 18-135 STM lens? I will be manually focusing to keep up with action, so Quiet AF is not an issue, but a large aperture (for low light action) is.
ReplyDeleteThe least expensive zoom lens fast enough for indoor sports action is the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS. Light enough to handhold for long periods of time, just fast enough at f/4 with ISO 1600 to freeze hockey action and smooth focus control for manual video focus makes this my primary travel lens with all my cameras. Yes, I do have the EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II zoom lens as well. I specifically use that for extremely low light situations where I have to freeze the action like a dark church hall dance performance. As an example, I shoot at ISO 3200 to 6400 at f/2.8 just to get a 1/125th shutter speed. Not optimal conditions. You should have no problem in a well lit hockey rink with the ice reflecting the stadium lights on their faces. I predict at least a 1/250th-1/500th shutter speed at f/4 with ISO 1600 for an indoor hockey rink. If you shoot hockey for video, the f/4 lens has great IS with smooth focus and zoom. I hope this helps out. If you have any other questions, become a Fan on my Facebook Fan Page and give me a shout.
DeleteSincerely,
Chad Soriano
Great review. I always love canons colors and daytime stills and nikons for low light . However im thinking that for someone who needs better video performance sony. I was considering the a57 for my first step up from p&s. The sony also records just under 30 minutes and is faster. What are your thoughts on sony vs canon in both stilll and video categories? I know the sony lens collection is less, but most casual shooters I talk to go for a good walkaround lens and usually stick with that for the most part.
ReplyDeleteI just read some Sony a57 reviews and I was impressed with the specs on paper. The video performance is quite amazing but two things bother me. The SLT technology helps out in AF servo during video, but I am not comfortable with EVF. I maybe old school but I like optical viewfinders when I shoot still pictures. The EVF maybe sufficient for video purposes but IMHO, not for still photography. The second issue, as you mentioned, is lens selection. I am locked in Canon glass since I started the digital rat race back in 2002. Back then, still cameras shot pictures and video cameras shot video. I still have my old Sony PD-150's but I stuck with Canon for pictures. Since you are starting from scratch from a p&s, you have more options nowadays. The new Sony single CMOS chip handycams are impressive in specs and price. My dream Sony video camera is the Sony FS700 and possibly the soon to be announced , the New "F". Times are changing every month, so you are in a fortunate situation to make an early choice in gear. My only concern is Sony's commitment to their DSLR lineup. Their consumer video lineup is slowly crossing the line into their current DSLRs, so I wonder what is going to happen in the future. The Sony a57 with kit lens sells for $800 and not thousands more like other advanced camera kits. You can always move on without a major financial loss. I hope this helps out in your choice. Good Luck!
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DeleteDear Chad
ReplyDeleteI have came across your blog and I am really glade that you are doing an amazing job by helping people by sharing your expertise with us.
I am 38 year old, reside in Pakistan who have always wanted to come a movie maker (direction + production + camera work) but was always pressurized by the family to work in the family business (I know it sucks) and honestly I never had my heart in it and neither was I good in that work.
Now finally I got the chance to opt for the dream of mine to make movies (initially small and short on very low scale) and beside that I was able to get a 8 or 9 really good books (ok I bought the ones that had really good ratings in amazon.com because cant afford to go to any movie school).
I wanted to buy a proper movie camera (soon discovered that the price tag wasn't in my reach) and some how I stumble upon the idea to use DSLR for making movies. It sounds fun as well as challenging because all my life I have used POINT N SHOOT type of cameras while getting crappy images though now I am more interested to learn and to explore (I dont know if I will master it or not but I am really willing to make the effort) to achieve my goals.
I have decided to get the Canon T4i (due to its price range) and also to get one or two additional lenses - my max budget is $1500.
It would be awesome if you can guide me about the CANON LENSES that are really good for DSLR VIDEOGRAPHY and also please do suggest from where shall I start in using and mastering the craft of DSLR video making while getting really good quality stuff.
Thanks and kind regards.
A very humble student.
Mustafa - smsabir@live.com
Hello Mustafa,
DeleteThank you for all the compliments. I like to share the knowledge for people who have the passion for image making.
The best lens for video work is ironically not Canon. It is the Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 fully manual lens for $500 USD. The T4i/650D has a crop sensor, so the 35mm focal length gives you a 50mm equivalent through the viewfinder. Since I am a big fan of manual focusing during video capture, the Rokinon has a smooth easy focus ring. The second thing you need is a magnifying loupe on the T4i LCD so you can accurately manually focus your subject. I just bought the CarrySpeed LCDVF for $30 and the L bracket mount for $7 for an inexpensive alternative. If you are looking for a wide angle lens, the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 is the least expensive alternative. The Rokinon is great for medium to tightly framed subjects with a dreamy out of focus background. The quickest way to learn DSLR filmmaking is through Vimeo Video School tutorials and by searching on Youtube.
The next best thing to learn filmmaking is practice,practice and more practice.
I hope this helps out. If you need any more questions, just become a fan on my facebook fan page and post questions on the fan page.
Sincerely, chad soriano
Hi Chad!
ReplyDeleteWhat lens can you recommend for my Canon T4i to shot indoor sports (swimming competitions)?
Hi JanetteJane,
DeleteGet ready for sticker shock, the zoom lenses for just about any indoor sporting events would have to be at least a f/2.8 aperture. Fast zoom lenses means expensive price. The non stabilized Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 (No IS) is around $1100. The stabilized version is a whopping $2100 after rebate. The 3rd party lenses in the f/2.8 range have improved remarkably. The new Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 optically stabilized is around $1500 but I have not gotten my hands on it yet to test. Another lens is the SIGMA 70-200 optically stabilized f/2.8 lens around the same price. As for my preference, I am Canon fanboy at heart and I would invest in Canon glass. The Tamron looks promising but it is too early to judge the speed and accuracy. I hope this helps a little...Good luck!
Thank you so much for your reply. Wow, that much huh? I guess i have to save one of those as my children is into that sport. For now, i will just have to make do with my current lens and save for the ones that you recommend.
DeleteAgain, thank you so much for the info, i really appreciate it. More power to you!
Mr. Soriano,
ReplyDeleteGreat review. Maybe one of the reasons why I upgraded from the T2i to the T4i. However I came to a dead end. My video shooting comes to an automatic stop after 20 to 30 seconds every time, I am using a 8gb SD card for now, could the be the problem. your help is greatly appreciated.
Miguel
Miguel,
DeleteYour guess about the 8gb card is correct. All memory card brands are not alike when it comes to Class Speed. Your existing card is not fast enough for the T4i and the camera automatically stops recording as a result. I have always used Transcend SDHC Class 10 memory cards without any problems all these years. A Transcend 32gb Class 10 SDHC card on Amazon cost around $20 USD. Quite a bargain for inexpensive memory.
Mr. Soriano,
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for your help. Merry Christmas.
Dear Chad,
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping you can steer me in the best direction. I'm upgrading from a Rebel XTi because I am shooting a lot of indoor fast volleyball. I first invested in a Canon 70-200 mm lens with IS. Now that it is finally paid for (ouch) I'd like to get a 60D or the newer T4i. I've read specs but was hoping you might have actually shot in these conditions with both cameras. I think the T4i's touch screen would be handy but after reviewing your video samples above, I don't think it could keep up with the fast action sports. Also, I thought I read somewhere that the lenses sold with the T4i don't fit other Canon models. This is a concern if I ever decide to upgrade again. By the way, I had a Tamron 70-200 mm f2.8 first and after using it one weekend, I returned it for the Canon. The focusing mechanism was strange and slow in my opinion. Thanks for any thoughts you have on the better of the two camera choices.
kathy,
DeleteAs a still image camera, the 60D and the T4i are just about identical in specs. The Canon 70-200mm IS is a large lens and difficult to balance on a small camera body for most people. A larger body like the 60D has a larger grip for a firmer hold along with a larger battery for longer shoots. The T4i is a small form factor overall along with a smaller battery capacity. My choice for still pictures for fast volleyball action with a larger lens is the Canon 60D. As for video, the T4i has a longer video record time compared to the 60D but IMHO I never recorded volleyball that long anyways. The T4i and the 60D share the same EF-S lens mount. Both cameras can use EF-S and EF lenses but EF mount cameras such as the 5D Mark III cannot use EF-S lens mounts. I have only one EF-S lens, the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS. Perfect for crop sensors but not for my full frame cameras. If you decide to upgrade to full frame, I would choose your future lens choices wisely. As for Tamron lenses, Canon always had the fastest AF. My third party lenses are mainly for video shooting and not still pictures. I hope this helps. Good luck!
Chad, Thank you for your insights. Yes, my lens is heavy! I hadn't considered the extra weight of the 60D actually helping balance the weight of the lens. By the way, your kids are adorable in the examples above :-) Best of luck to you in the future.
ReplyDeleteKathy
I'm so glad I found your review. I am looking at the T4i as well mostly shots of my two sons including hockey games. Would I be better starting with a kit of 18-55 and 55-250 IS or the 18-135, I've been told by some that the 18-135 STM would be handier for me, less lens changing while I get used to DSLR.
ReplyDeleteThank you for any help in my decision making, there is only a $40 price difference in these two kits.
Hi Jen,
DeleteSorry for the delay! The Canon Rebel T4i with the Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM kit lens is the bundle for you. The previous kit lens combo you mentioned are daylight only lenses with poor image quality, color and sharpness. You will be happier with the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM kit zoom lens.
Having one lens with a practical focal length shooting hockey will lessen the chances of missing that "money" shot.
I hope this helps out...Good Luck!
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Hi, I'm a graduate student doing some work making instructional videos for dance. I've been debating buying either a camcorder or the T4i.
ReplyDeleteBased on your experience, how do you think the T4i will perform using the kit STM lens in a very well lit ballroom dance situation? I also want to take excellent stills which is another motivating factor for the T4i vs just a camcorder.
Based on the comments I've read so far, I think the T4i will do what I need, but I'd like a little reassurance from the pro!
Thanks in advance for any tips or thoughts,
Charlie
Chad, sorry, Idon't speak english, so I try to explain.
DeleteI want buy the Rebel T4i for video, what do you thing is the best lens for that?
- 50mm
- 35mm
- 40mm
Thank you, my best wishes for you an your family.
Greetings from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas, Mexico.
Adrián
Hi Charles Bowden,
DeleteShooting video with a Canon Rebel T4i is vastly different from a conventional camcorder. This difference will influence how you capture dance maneuvers.
The major difference is the T4i auto focus on moving subjects during video capture. If you desire the T4i to track and focus on quickly moving dance subjects, you will be grossly disappointed. In my T4i AF test videos, the Hybrid AF using STM lenses barely keeps up even in direct sunlight.
If you need quick panning camera movements or dance subjects coming and going away from the camera in your instructional video, I suggest a normal conventional camcorder with better AF.
If you really like the T4i to shoot video and stills, you need to alter your method of capturing dance maneuvers. May I suggest just locking down the camera to minimize camera movement and letting the action fill the scene? Although this sounds visually boring, the stable platform of minimal camera movement makes your subjects the center of attention.
As for STM kit lens choice, I would go with the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM. This is a more practical focal length range, a better quality kit lens with better color and sharpness over the EF-S 18-55mm and has the STM stepper motor to work better with the T4i.
I hope this helps out. Please become a fan on my Facebook Fan Page with the link above. Good Luck with your instructional video.
Hi Adrian,
DeleteOut of the three prime lens choices you mentioned, the 35mm lens will be best suited for the Rebel T4i for video.
The 35mm lens on a crop sensor has focal length equivalent of 50mm. This is perfect for medium composed video interviews or subjects with a practical camera and subject distance.
You do not want to be too far or close to your subject when filming.
The best value in the 35mm focal length is the Canon EF 35mm f/2 prime lens. The focus ring is quite narrow to manually focus but the image results are astounding.
Good luck!
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Hi Charles Bowden,
DeleteI just noticed your Facebook Fan Page "like". Thanks for the support!
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Your blog has been very informative and the example videos have been one of the most helpful things. Most review sites just talk about the cameras, you really show what they can do!
DeleteI was wondering, have you ever used any of the VIXIA camcorders? While doing my research, I had someone recommend the HF M50 to shoot video with.
I planned to use a tripod when filming anyway, so I'm currently leaning the T4i route.
Thanks for your previous thoughts on the subject and any other things that pop into mind. This semester will certainly be a learning experience for me!
Charlie
Hi Charlie,
DeleteThanks for all the compliments.
The last conventional camcorder I used were all Sony Mini DV cameras. I have only edited footage shot with Canon VIXIA and the image quality was outstanding.
As for the Canon VIXIA HF M50, the specs online look impressive. With all CMOS based conventional camcorders, low light capability is very poor and the built in lens is not very wide angle (43mm). Other than that, the battery life is great, the AF tracks subjects like a champ and the price is a great value.
A last bit of Canon Rebel T4i advice, memory card brands are not all created equal when it comes to Class Speed. I used the Transcend brand with no problems. I last purchased for the Canon EOS M digital mirrorless camera a Transcend 32gb SDHC UHS-I Class 10 memory card for $30 on Amazon.
Good luck this semester!
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Thanks Chad Soriano for your advice... Good Luck!
ReplyDeletesincerely, Adrián
Hey chad i just got the canon t4i yesterday and i tried shooting a video with it but it just keeps stopping automatically please help. i have a 16 gb sdhc card in it class 10
ReplyDeleteMemory card brands are not all created equal when it comes to Class 10 memory card speeds. Every company has their own Class 10 memory card benchmark standards. From experience, I found that Transcend Class 10 SDHC memory cards have no problems at all during T4i video recording. Although, you could spend more on the SandDisk equivalent, but the Transcend are the best value today. You can pick a Transcend 32gb SDHC Class 10 for under $30 on Amazon.
DeleteSincerely, Chad Soriano
Good Day Chad,
ReplyDeleteI am thinking of upgrading to a Canon T4i and fell upon your blog while doing a Google search.
I am a transit photographer, which means I shoot trains, buses, subways and anything related to them. Currently I am using a T1i and mainly on Sports mode as shooting transit on the street its hard to set your camera right the first time when the bus or train is speeding towards you.
I also use my T1i to shoot video aboard the vehicles in order to later put them on my YouTube Channel.
My Question is, for my line of work in this hobby, mainly shooting transit vehicles, would you recommend the T4i.
I mainly use my 18-55 Standard kit lens to shoot, my back-up lens is a bulky 24-70 Sigma Lens and I also have a 70-300 telephoto lens.
Any help is appreciated,
Joseph
montreal66@gmail.com
Joseph,
DeleteThe Canon Rebel T4i is a major upgrade and vast improvement over your Canon Rebel T1i in both photography and video features. The Canon Rebel T4i is a great still camera and has identical still camera features of the more expensive Canon EOS 60D in a smaller body. Transit photography requires high ISO's and fast lenses to freeze the action in low light public transportation areas. The Canon Rebel T4i can definitely shoot ISO 3200 with no problem. Your EF-S18-55mm kit lens is not the fastest lens, so IMHO ISO 3200 should be fast enough for you. I know the Canon Rebel T1i is horribly noisy at ISO 3200 and the Canon Rebel T4i is a major improvement in that category. I hope this helps out...
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Hi Chad,
ReplyDeleteI just hit "Like" on your facebook fan page.
Anyway, I got an almost 2 year old rebel t3i/EOS 600D. I'm having fun shooting landscapes and portraits but just recently i begin to love shooting sports and activities requiring faster continuous shooting. Will the T4i be a great upgrade? I once thoought of the 60D for its bigger size and balances well when using heavier lenses. I have a Canon 50mm/1.4, 70-200 NON-IS, Sigma 50-200mm OS HSM and a Tamron 18-270mm as all arond lens. For an upgrade, should i benefit much from the T4i or should I go for the older 60D? Considering the price and that both have the same 5fps continuous shooting, which one should i get?
Really need an advice.
Thanks and best regards to you and the family.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
DeleteThanks for the "like". I appreciate the support...
You are correct, the 60D bigger size does balance well with bigger lenses but the 2.5 year old 60D will be replaced soon with possibly a 70D this year. If you need the camera soon, the T4i would make a great, inexpensive and current replacement for the T3i. The T4i is an excellent still camera that is on par with the 60D. If you can wait till the summer for your next purchase, the more expensive 70D might be your fancy. To be safe, just wait at least a month until Canon announces their new products this Spring.
I hope this helps out in your decision.
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Dear Chad,
DeleteThanks for your reply. Really appreciate your views on the matter. I'll keep on visiting this site and your FB page from time to time.
Thanks again.
Stephen
Stephen,
DeleteThanks for the support!
sincerely,
chad soriano
HI Chad,
ReplyDeleteInteresting blog and also nice facbook page. I Like!!!!
I just bought a 650D and I have the opportunity to sell the 18-55 kit lens. From the blog I can see that no lens will make the video perfect on teh 650D and my disapointment of the current lens is that the autofocus is too noisy and the movie is ruined with teh lens motor noise.
Willt eh STM lens be much quieter at least? Will the internal mic still pick up the noise of the motor?
I am a beginner in photography and most probably I will not be an expert never but I tend to take some courses and be able to use much bettr my new 650D.
I am looking for an all rounder lens and I have listed a few withsome comments:
Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM (Not as much zoom as I would like)
Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS (Has no STM or USM)
Tamron 18-270 F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD (Will this be quiet in autofocus like the STM and fst autofocus like the canon?)
Sigma 18-250 f/3.5-6.3 DC Macro S HSM Will this be quiet in autofocus like the STM and fst autofocus like the canon?)
Basically I want to know if a lens from 18 - 270 is a recommended all rounder or else if I should spit from 18-135 and then later get another from 70-300.
What is your recommandation and what should i choose fromt eh above? I am not sure on teh makes apart from Canon but I listed what I read on magazines and internet
Dear Marco Magri,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the compliment and your "like" on my Fan Page.
You are correct. Get rid of the kit lens as fast as you can and upgrade the glass for the T4i. Important note about AF noise with any lens, no matter what the T4i internal microphones will pick up any camera and lens noise. You will need an external microphone with a rubber mount to silence the mechanical noise. The inexpensive AZDEN ECZ-990 is a great and small microphone that can be found on Amazon for around $60.
As for STM lenses, they are slightly less noisy than other lenses but not silent. I suggest my solution for an external microphone.
As for your lens round up for a walk around lens, the two best choices are the Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM and the Tamron 18-270 F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD. They both have excellent color, sharpness and contrast quality for walk around lenses. The Canon is better because of the faster AF compared to the Tamron. The Tamron has greater range but the focus speed does not compare to the Canon. This comparison is for still pictures and not video. Video is different. I manually focus and I am only concerned with image quality. Both lenses for video are great. The other lenses you mentioned are horrible in color, sharpness and contrast. The Canon 18-200 has decent focus speed, although. The SIGMA has poor low light AF sensitivity, as well.
Unless you can sell your lenses at a later time, I would stick with the Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens for now. I would save money and purchase another lens with greater range and quality. The EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM is an excellent choice. Canon brand lenses are easy to resell. Non-Canon brands lose value fast and tougher to resell.
For still pictures, I would stick to the Canon brand. For video, Rokinon makes great manual lenses with an affordable price.
I hope this helps out.
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
HI Chad,
DeleteI am a bit surprised on the reply related to the NEW Sigma 18-250 f/3.5-6.3 DC Macro S HSM. I really believed that this would be a much better lens then the Tamron from the reviews I have read and comments I have seen.
With regards to the Tamron I know it took the EISA award 2011-2012 so it is a good lens except for the slow auto focus.
Can you give me a comparision of what a slow autofocus really is if you had to compare it to the 18-55 kit lens that I have is it the same or slower?
I do agree that I should go for canon lenses and I am considering the 18-135 STM but for an all rounder and going abroad with one lens I would like to have a bit more zoom then just 135.
My other lenses that I will buy if I get into more depth in photography I am quite sure that they will be cannon knowing that I like to have all the items the same brand and being a bit of a cannon fan.
Pitty canon did not do an 18-250 STM :(
Thanks a and hope to hear from you soon so I can take a good decision between the Sigma and Tamron!
Dear Marco Magri,
DeleteIMHO, of all the SIGMA lenses I have owned and tested at my local brick and mortar store, the Canon brand wins hands down in AF speed and low light sensitivity. I prefer Canon, then Tamron and SIGMA third in your lens selections. I can only suggest you buy the SIGMA lens and physically try it yourself or go to your local photography dealer and test it at the store.
I hope this helps some...
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Hi Chad,
DeleteUnfortunatley in Malta we do not have the option to go an try the lenses and the proces are sky high and will get it over the internet.
I will take your suggestions and go for the Tamron unless I have the opportunity as you said to try the sigma.
Can you give me an indication of the slowness of the autofocus of the tamron compares to the kit lens 18-55 of Canon so that I can finally go for it?
Thanks a lot and I really appreciate your time in this.
Dear Marco Magri,
DeleteIt is difficult to quantify the speed differential between both lenses because I actually did not perform a physical time measurement. I only can give you my practical out in the field opinion. The Canon and Tamron AF performance is just about identical in the daytime. The deal breaker is in low light situations. The Tamron will occasionally hunt back and forth to confirm AF while the Canon lens is just about dead on 99% of the time.
Other than that, the Tamron has great color, sharpness and contrast out of this third party lens.
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Hi Chad,
DeleteGreat. I feel more comfotable now.
Thanks a lot for your time and help and will continue to follow such blog and facebook page for future needs.
Marco
Marco,
DeleteYou are very welcome and thank you for your support!
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Dear BARELECT,
ReplyDeleteI never had that "Firmware" item appear when using third party lenses.
Are you using a proper lens adapter?
Search "Fotodiox" on Amazon and look for the proper lens adapter for your Zeiss and Leica lenses. They are very affordable.
Third party lens manufacturers specify the Canon EF mount for their lenses. Sometimes third party lens extenders, macro tubes and any other devices may interfere with the Canon body electronics and void the warranty.
May I suggest the Rokinon brand for completely manual lenses with great color and sharpness. They are optimized for crop and full frame sensors as well.
I hope this helps out.
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
The T4i/650D firmware is not available for download on the Canon USA or Canon Europe websites. To my knowledge, the T4i/650D firmware cannot be downloaded from the actual camera and only downloaded from the Canon EOS website.
DeleteI am sorry I am unable to solve your manual lens issue with your T4i/650D.
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Hi Chad - great info on the T4i, thanks.
ReplyDeleteI hope you can help with a bit of a dilemma. I've been using an XH A1 to make short YouTube videos and short films but it broke. They estimate repairs to be about $800 so I was thinking, would I be better off getting a T4i for around the same price?
Or should I repair the XH A1 if it's going to produce better quality video?
Thanks!
Hi Toby,
DeleteIt pains me to hear about your situation. I worked with the Sony V1U equivalent to your Canon XH A1 and know all about the quirks of 1080i HDV format. Hands down, the picture quality of the T4i with good glass beats the Canon XH A1. Of course, there are drawbacks to DSLR video capture. Your decision should be based on what you shoot and for how long...The T4i is only good for short clips and not long and drawn out interviews or ceremonies. In multi camera shoots, I keep the Sony V1U constantly recording for reference audio and for the cutaway wideshot. I cut that HDV footage with the b-roll of the DSLR. It is big shame that a recent piece of machinery that expensive has to be shelved for a repair. In my opinion, I would repair the Canon XH A1 and save up for the less expensive Rebel T3i for a "B" camera.
I hope this helps out...
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Chad Soriano,
ReplyDeleteIm going to start shooting music videos for my friend and I was wondering if the T4i camera is the best for that? I heard the 7D Canon is better to shoot videos in. What would you recommend? Also Im not really experience with cameras either. I'll appreciated it if you can help me. Thanks!
Martin Medina,
DeleteThe T4i and the 7D have the same video quality. It all depends on the quality of the lenses. Good, low light capable, sharp and great color lenses such as the EF 50mm f/1.8, EF 40mm f/2.8 STM and the EF 35mm f/2 primes are budget friendly and great to start out with. Another added benefit of the T4i is the extended record time. The 7D will only record around 12 minutes at one time while the T4i will record up to 29 minutes and 29 seconds. You will also want to use a fast memory card for the T4i. I suggest the Transcend Class 10 SDHC card. I have that same brand with no problems with recording video. I hope this helps out...
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Dear Chad,
ReplyDeleteHere is a part of your post about T3i: 'The ideal ISO for DSLR video capture is ISO 160 and the T3i only has increments of 100.'
What is the situation with T4i?
Best regards,
Sandor
Dear Sandor,
DeleteThe T3i and the T4i have the same ISO increments of 100. In this intentional marketing ploy, you can just choose ISO 100 or 200 as an ideal ISO setting.Of course, lower the better IMHO. I hope this helps...
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Hi Chad,
ReplyDeleteI love your review. I am currently looking into buying a T4i. But I was also debating on the Canon 60D too. I know the specs for the cameras are both very similar.
I hope to use the camera for Music Videos and Short Films. Do you think the T4i is a good choice for that genre of shoots? Thanks
Hi Jocelyn,
DeleteSorry for the delay. As for video, the T4i can shoot longer videos up to 29 minutes and 29 seconds when compared to the 60D. I do not recommend you shooting that long of a clip unless you have too. The T4i sensor will overheat and the camera will shut down in warm ambient temperatures. Short clips are recommended. Do not use the Hybrid AF on the T4i, you will be disappointed. I would just manually focus the lens with the aid of a LCD magnifying loupe device such as the CarrySpeed LCDVF found on Amazon. The 60D is a nice video workhorse with a larger capacity battery but that dated model is soon to be replaced by summer's end. If you are not in a hurry, I would wait until Canon announces their new models.
Sincerely,
Chad Soriano
Hello Chad
ReplyDeleteThank you for this informative article.
I am an amateur photographer. I want to buy a DSLR that will deliver great photographic performance as well as great video. I am deciding between the 600d/t3i, the 650d/t4i and the 60d. I am having a heaps of trouble deciding and need help. I am drawn to the 600d due to the price and the 3x crop mode. I am drawn to the 650d due to the touch screen and the faster processor and the higher shot speed. I am drawn to the 60d due to the better build quality, better battery life and the support of Magic Lantern (as well for the 600d). I want to take photos on holidays and for assignments and also want to take professional looking video. I have read about the 7D and the 5D but they are way out of my price range.
Also, there are many 'grey' market dealers out there like eGlobal, DWI and others and am wondering if you have any experience with these or can recommend another one. I would like to have warranty but not many offer official Canon warranty. I have a small budget and wish to keep it under AUD$1500 or at the most under AUD$2000.
I would prefer to have a 'normal' or midrange lens and a zoom lens and want your opinion on whether i should buy the body only or get a twin kit.
Many thanks in advance,
Chuck
Chuck,
DeleteI would go with the Canon 650D with the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM kit lens. The 650D has the photographic performance of the 60D with a newer and faster processor plus advanced features such as the touchscreen. The T3i with the 3x zoom is nice but the photographic performance is very slow IMHO. The 60D has a bigger build with a bigger battery but the camera is a very old model and is going to be replaced soon. As for battery life with the 650D, I would just buy third party batteries on Amazon.com. Speaking of Amazon.com, I would make my purchases online with this reputable retailer. I am very wary and nervous with unfamiliar grey market dealers that you described. Go with Amazon IMHO. As for lenses, I would go with the kit lens described above and save up for inexpensive fast primes such as the EF 50mm f/1.8 or event the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM pancake lens later for good quality video.
I hope this helps out...
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Awesome thank you very much for your reply. Would the 18-55mm and the 55-250mm twin lens with 650d be any good? I am also thinking about a telescopic lens. Then I will get the pancake lens afterwards.
DeleteChuck,
DeleteI would stay away from those kit lenses and use the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens I suggested earlier. The twin lens setup you described are only good for daylight and are of horrible optical quality. The EFS 18-135mm IS STM is sharp, good color and has a practical focal length for a walk around lens. The pancake lens is a very good choice, as well...
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
Hi again Chad
DeleteAlright, I will take your advice on that, despite getting many people saying the kit lens was fine and great for a beginner set. I'm not a complete beginner but I am very unsure of what to get. Should I get the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM that comes in the pack with the 650d? It's cheaper to buy in a pack than separate right? Or should i buy the camera and the lens separately?
Also I am seriously thinking about the 40mm. What would it be best for, other than video. Would it be okay for an unobtrusive walkaround lens? Maybe the 50mm 1.4 is better? Also can you suggest a cheap macro lens? Also, (I'm absolutely bombarding you with questions, aren't I :P sorry) do you know about the performance of the 18-135 in quite low light?
Many, MANY thanks for all you help and patience,
Chuck
Chuck,
ReplyDeleteThe Canon 650D with the bundled EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens is the best deal especially on Amazon.com. The EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens is a no brainer for $150. The faster and more expensive primes are nice but who could argue with $150? The least expensive macro lens that has great quality IMHO is the EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro (non-IS). It is a standard macro work horse that has proven itself several times over...The kit EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens is not the fastest lens for low light. It is a standard walk around lens with a practical focal length for a great price. If you need fast low light performance, stick with the fast primes (f2.8 or lower).
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
So the pancake lens would be fine for low light right? I don't trust Amazon mainly because it is just like eBay in that it's just a place for anyone to sell their stuff..
DeleteChuck,
DeleteThe pancake lens is fine for low light. Amazon.com is the largest online retailer like "Walmart". Just make sure you purchase your items sold by Amazon LLC and not a third party retailer. If Amazon.com does not suit you, you can try another large electronics online retailer like BH Photo Video out of NYC. I have been physically to their retail store in Manhattan and it is a sight too see...
Sincerely, chad soriano
Ah yes. I will have a look. I am currently interested in this site: http://www.topbuy.com.au/ Looks good, great prices too. btw. I'm in Australia so theyre probably better for me as then the returns and shipping and whatever will take less hassle, if there are any problems.
DeleteI just had a look at bh photo looks and it's expensive D:
I am venturing into independent movies / short films etc. I think I have crossed beginner's level as far as stills are concerned. I am little hesitant to settle down with another starter kit but want to be careful with my $ as well. I wont mind best band for the buck.
ReplyDeleteNeed help in selecting good dslr for video and stills as well. I would be making short movies( not routine friends and family video thou)
Can you suggest what option I have.
Note :I own a Rebel XT with 18-55 and 75 to 300mm lenses.
Keep your Rebel XT with kit lenses just for still photography and invest in the best value for DSLR video, the Canon Rebel T3i body. The T3i is a very capable HD DSLR that is less expensive than the T4i with identical video quality. The T4i has the advantage of extended continuous record time of 29 minute compared to the 12 minutes of the T3i. The T4i's HDMI out Live View display is an uninterrupted cropped 16x9 display during actual recording while the T3i has a 4:3 480p video display output. Not very practical for external displays. My choice would be a Canon Rebel T3i and invest in good glass with the money saved. Inexpensive primes such as the Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 , Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 and the EF 35mm f/2 lenses. A great third part lens for video is the Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 manual focus and aperture adjustments. You can also invest in a good fluid video head like the Manfrotto 701 HDV.
DeleteSincerely, chad soriano
Thanks Chad.
ReplyDeleteI am thinking on the same line ( T3i and T4i), but i also have t2i in the mix.
How is t2i compares against t3i and t4i. I was reading on interner that there is magic lantern software that can make t2i pretty flexible.
My idea is to get as much practice and learning using inexpensive Txi ( t2/t3/t4) for next year or so and then upgrade to full frame like 5d, when I am ready. or do you think t3i is a keeper.
The T2i has no swivel screen and all the T3i video features such as the 3x-10x 1080p digital video zoom. I would go with the T3i most definitely.
Deletethanks, chad soriano
Hello.
ReplyDeleteMagic Lantern is available for 600 and 60d as well. I hear the 60d is a good camera to throw in the mix for video. The price will probably drop even further when the 60d's successor is released.
Chad,
What is the difference between the Canon EF 35mm f/2 lenses and the Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 that you recommended?
Thanks,
Chuck
The Canon EF 35mm f/2 is a dedicated Canon lens with full AF for still photography and a capable manually focusing video lens. At f/2 aperture and smaller focusing ring, the more expensive Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 is faster at f/1.4 and has a great focusing throw for smooth adjustments. Unfortunately, the Rokinon is a completely manual lens when it comes to focus and aperture. It is dedicated mainly for video. That is usually the deal breaker for the Rokinon and the Canon is usually the next logical choice.
Deletethanks, chad soriano
Ok, thanks Chad. I was able to get a Canon T3i at less than $400. I think it is a solid deal. I am evaluating T4i as well , If I can t4i on same price , I am tempted to believe that it will be v good bargain.
ReplyDeleteI am just worried about the video length of T3i. Does magic Lantern software can fix it ?
I am not that knowledgeable about Magic Lantern software because I am not comfortable in voiding my warranty with my gear. You should not worry about video recording length with the T3i because you will have other HD DSLR problems to worry about like an overheating sensor and a quickly depleting battery.
Delete:-), Thanks Chad.
DeleteI finally got t3i to try my hands on. So far looks as good as t4i.
Hey chad,
ReplyDeleteJust bought my t4i body only for Video Production. I dont plan on shooting sports or anything and am still in the midst if learning how to record Video on DSLR's.
My question for you is what lenses would you recomend for General Daylight/Shadows and extreme lowlight (I do caving). I have a stock 18-55 laying around but know I need additional lenses for my ideas.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Spencer.
Spencer,
DeleteThe best value walk around lens for general daylight is the Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens. This better kit lens has much better color and sharpness than the included kit lens. As for caving lenses, the Rokinon 8mm f/2.8 fisheye lens is a fast wide angle for tight spaces. Although, f/2.8 may not be fast enough for caves and you might want to spend more money for faster video lenses. The Rokinon 24mm f/1.4 is plenty fast and wide for cave videography. Low light video with DSLR's are usually shot wide open at ISO 3200 in dark situations. In my case, churches and night street scenes are my usual low light subject matter.
Sincerely, chad soriano
Hi Spencer.
DeleteI'm not Chad, but you could try the cheap and inexpensive Canon 50mm f/1.8. The f/1.8 bit means that it's aperture can go down to f/1.8, also known as a max aperture. The wider aperture means that it captures more light which makes it fantastic for low light. (Sorry if it seems I'm talking down to you, I don't know where your level is at so I'm trying to be clear).
You can pick that up for anywhere from $80 to $130 but for a lens, that's very very cheap. It just depends where you buy it from. It is a small lens great for doing portraits and it's strong point being it's extremely light weight and it can do low light pretty well.
Here's a shortlink to a review: http://bit.ly/11QdiT
Hope this helps,
Chuck
Thank you Chad & Chuck!
ReplyDeleteProbably saved me a few hours of simple research. Ill be sure to look at both and read more into them.
- Cheers!
Dear Chad,
ReplyDeleteI am a newbie in photography and planning to buy canon eos 650d. I just wanna ask if canon 18-200mm lens is much better than canon 18-135? what would you recommend to use for fast action outdoor activities.
Thank you very much, your blog is very helpful for a newbie like me..
Your reply will highly appreciated..
Juan,
DeleteThe Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM kit lens has overall better optical quality than the Canon EF-S 18-200mm IS super zoom. You will not be happy with the color, contrast and sharpness with the 18-200mm, especially the Canon brand. If you are set on the extra focal length, the Tamron 18-270mm VC super zoom has better optical quality but unfortunately not the fast Canon "AF" speed. You will notice non Canon brand lenses are a bit slower when it comes to AF speed. Of course, IMHO the Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM zoom lens would be personal choice because of the fast AF speed, the practical focal length, the STM motor and better optical quality.
I hope this helps...
Sincerely, Chad Soriano
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ReplyDeletebenz lloyd,
DeleteSorry for the delay, the best lens for landscape photography for crop sensors is the Canon EF-S 10-22mm wide angle lens. Since Canon just lowered the price for the ultra sharp lens, it is a great value when compared to the third party brands like Tokina and Sigma. As for night landscape, I suggest something that has a fast aperture but those lenses can get pricey.The best value is the all manual focus and aperture Rokinon 24mm f/1.4. The Rokinon will not break the bank and has great color and sharpness.
Sincerely, Chad Soriano